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發表於 2015-5-18 11:24:04 | 顯示全部樓層 |閱讀模式
Recently look back those talks about the different of optical lenses and plastic lenses, there is much evidence of what are those lenses made of, only talks and rumours. But there is certain fact is that the plastic lenses don't last.
Do any Ching know more about its history and background? I don't have the resource to get all the lenses and open them up for inspection.....interesting to know

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-dispersion_glass
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發表於 2015-5-21 10:20:54 | 顯示全部樓層
Redrede CHing,

There are books in the public library about lens development.  They are really good and can give you a clearer picture of the lens design progress since the dawn of "chemical photography", which pushed the development of photographic lenses.

A History of the Photographic Lens   R. Kingslake
The photographic Lens                    S. F. Ray

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Thank you Wolf Ching  發表於 2015-5-21 11:50
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發表於 2015-5-21 14:57:09 | 顯示全部樓層
Does anyone know whether Leica uses any plastic in its M lenses?

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Not the lens, I mean the mechanical parts  發表於 2015-5-22 10:36
I have over-heard in exhibition that the Summarit series f/2.4 lenses uses "Advance Synthetic Material", but not confirmed.  發表於 2015-5-22 10:35
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發表於 2015-5-21 16:40:18 來自手機 | 顯示全部樓層
It was said that ALL asph are of a very special kind of GLASS raw material .... Technique was co-developed by Hoya + Leitz + Pentax
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 樓主| 發表於 2015-5-21 21:58:33 | 顯示全部樓層
Can we finalize which lenses is purely made of optical glass or cheap advanced glass?
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發表於 2015-5-21 23:14:44 | 顯示全部樓層
Embrace the change or not, each to its own.

I was brought up with the notion that quality lenses are made of nothing but genuine glass (not to mention lanthanum and alike).

Time changes. To cope with digital sensor's great ability,
either the lens would be very expensive being wholly made of high end glass,
or, one has to accept the trend of non-glass lenses.
After all, non-glass doesn't necessarily mean inferior.
For example, technical fabrics for sports wear is way better than traditional cotton/linen make.

But I am an old timer. I still want whole glass.

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Bubu 兄, 同意你的看法! 樹脂, 塑膠, 絕對不是玻璃的級別. 說到底, 都是慳錢的手段矣!  發表於 2015-5-22 10:29
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 樓主| 發表於 2015-5-22 07:41:24 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 redrede 於 2015-5-22 12:09 編輯
bubu 發表於 2015-5-21 23:14
Embrace the change or not, each to its own.

I was brought up with the notion that quality lenses ar ...


Bubu兄,I don't think it is whether an old timer wants to use purely high end glass material, if we are just debate on image quality instead.

If you remember I got the vm 21 f4 from you, I have been using it for sometimes now, this is a great performancer on sunny occasions. However I'm finding it quality change especially on a cloudy day, both sides of the photo is awful and I'm thinking an upgrade would be worth it. That's why I'm doing the research why and what would be the reason behind it. From my limited experience, I have only found this problem on wide angle lenses, and of course I would like to keep a lens for a life time.

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Redrede CHing, What do you mean when you said "both side" (is awaful) ? You mean the corners? I have a VM 21/f4 too, used it for casual 'walk-around'. Love to try it in the same lighting...   發表於 2015-5-22 10:24
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 樓主| 發表於 2015-5-23 11:23:58 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 redrede 於 2015-5-23 12:52 編輯

Please kindly see the photo, I have converted from RAW file to JPG file. You can see the colour have changed on both sides of the photo and clear in the centre. This is normal but this wouldn't happen when I took a photo on a sunny day with f4 wide open.

Apart from the reason I might have a shaking hands, otherwise the colour shift should not be so obvious

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發表於 2015-5-23 13:32:02 | 顯示全部樓層
I guess part of the problem for the above picture was caused by the sensor. The rear end of the VM 21/4 goes deep into the camera and getting very close to the sensor. The sensor corners receive the light at a steep angle magnifing a problem exists in most wide lenses. I think this lens also is not designed for digital sensors.

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I've not tried 21/1.4 but 21/3.4 on Leica bodies, the solution is camera built-in correction. The problem appears when used on Sony. It matters when the rear element is too close to the sensor.  發表於 2015-6-2 12:31
I mean f4 is not a big aperture, what would be like leica 21mm f1.4 or f3.4?  發表於 2015-6-2 11:44
my understanding is that photo sensors usually reacts worst under weak and bent light, will have more noise distortions  發表於 2015-5-24 15:23
But why on a sunny day won't affect that much?  發表於 2015-5-24 14:38
Sound right  發表於 2015-5-23 16:11
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發表於 2015-6-2 11:12:52 | 顯示全部樓層
Suggest take a few test shots on tripod, see if that make a difference.  

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我用X-E1. 等我搵日試下...  發表於 2015-6-3 15:46
Only problem when in a lower light condition, mine is Fuji X-E2 APSC  發表於 2015-6-2 17:34
Same problem on the other 3 corners? Is your sensor Full Frame or APSC size?  發表於 2015-6-2 11:52
In the sunny condition, the lens does collect more details  發表於 2015-6-2 11:48
I have taking more shots on the same place same condition, the centre of the photos are clear but not near the edges  發表於 2015-6-2 11:46
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發表於 2015-6-2 16:43:07 | 顯示全部樓層
VM21/4 後鏡片太貼近sensor... 冇乜其它digital相机会Like呢類鏡,
就算Leica都冇法完全遷就晒佢.....
在M9上我覺得少少紅移外, f/4 sharpness一点問題都沒有.
附图的变形是改過的... 現實沒那麼直.

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就算手震ㄧ般都中間清過邊緣影像?  發表於 2015-6-2 17:36
但我個問題係光與暗而引伸的問題,陽光下冇問題  發表於 2015-6-2 17:32
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