你認為咩先叫靚相?

redrede

bubu 發表於 2014-2-19 18:31
HCB...Capa...都唔会影一张就收band呀！

測光，試位，等時機其實冇乜問題，係我誇張啲講ja, 唔講靚相，技術真是用時間精神練出來，創作力咪當後天培養出來

redrede

Jason 發表於 2014-2-19 19:00
如果影commercial，肯定影唔止一張，分分鐘影一百幾廿張，甚至更多先僅一張。

不過話說回來，以前教我影相 ...

Jason兄又鍾意睇D咩?影D咩相?

Jason

redrede 發表於 2014-2-20 08:26
Jason兄又鍾意睇D咩?影D咩相?

唔好意思，咁遲先答你，因為『咩先叫靚相?』呢個問題實在太難，而我的想法又有啲離經叛道，要諗下點樣答！

首先，我認為，攝影和寫實係無關係嘅。所以，唔存在係唔係 realistic 的問題。因為 a photo is a photo. it is not the reality。一張相只係 capture 咗 reality 的一部分，而呢個 capture 的行為是 by definition, a process of manipulation。所以，根本就沒有 "honest" 嘅攝影. Ａ photo can NEVER be 100% honest．

所以，我自己一直都係鍾意影portraiture，甚至 fashion photography，因為我鍾意佢『假』。但呢個『假』唔代表佢係 false，呢個『假』係一個pretension，或者可以叫做 fake。如果我哋接受攝影本身係無可能『寫實』的話，咁我既就要諗：What is the point of doing photography? 是不是只不過是一個『堆砌』？我哋可唔可以係呢一堆貌似假的manipulation中，搵到一些真相，一些真理。Or, let me put in this way: "a moment of truth"?

所以，我覺得好的攝影不可能只是 telling a good story。因為 the way of telling is already a story (好的攝影師一定要有這種 awareness)。所以好的攝影，對我來說，永遠是 a story about a story about a story..... 而我們從這種攝影和storytelling的張力當中，找到一點點的人性。That is the moment of truth。That's why, I think, Cindy Sherman's work is powerful. (a literary equivalent perhaps can be Emma Zunz)

Jason

引用 Emma Zunz 的最後一段，這不正正就是 fashion photography 的真諦嗎？

"As it were, the story was unbelievable, but it prevailed upon everyone because it was substantially true. Emma Zunz’s tone was real, her decency was real, her hate was real. And the outrage which she had suffered was also real: only the circumstances, the time, and one or two names were false."

redrede

Jason 發表於 2014-2-20 21:47
引用 Emma Zunz 的最後一段，這不正正就是 fashion photography 的真諦嗎？

"As it were, the story was u ...

你既講法我都認同，只要攝影師能夠拍出故事又能夠比其他人睇得明白，靚就更好啦，至於我哋旁觀者需不需要知到故事既真確性，就一定視乎你影D咩，故事的真假在乎攝影師係甚麼人，記者定還是四仔攝影師，一幅相是可以講一個故事，又可以製造一個故事比人聯想.....

bubu

Jason 發表於 2014-2-20 21:38
唔好意思，咁遲先答你，因為『咩先叫靚相?』呢個問題實在太難，而我的想法又有啲離經叛道，要諗下點樣答！ ...

点解你会認为portraiture是"假", or fake, or pretension呢？

Kelvin3892

Visualization or imagery that the photo has given...I guess

Chinese-Tee

我覺得攝影同其它藝術都喺屬於好個人嘅創作，所以好嘅攝影應該能夠反映出攝影師當時嘅情感，亦都必須具備一定美感，能夠將觀眾代入其中，有種看後久久不能揮去嘅回味。

Thomas_Chan

如果可以的話，帶點幽默會更好。

kaizm

每個人心入面把尺都唔同

redrede

kaizm 發表於 2014-3-3 20:41
每個人心入面把尺都唔同

你嗰把尺又鍾意啲乜尼師兄，只是想知大眾的想法，並冇其他對與錯

kaizm

都係睇心情多....

vincecharus

我傾向掉番轉諗，見到靚相，欣賞之餘，偶爾會問下點解覺得張相靚，卻不會抽象的問靚相必需要具備什麼條件，何必將眼睛的審美固步自封呢？

redrede

vincecharus 發表於 2014-3-5 09:01
我傾向掉番轉諗，見到靚相，欣賞之餘，偶爾會問下點解覺得張相靚，卻不會抽象的問靚相必需要具備什麼條件， ...

That is ok too, just a simple question and not about debating it, relax

Ryota

『咩先叫靚相?』 我角度我會比喻為一位廚師問人：「點呀？D 野好唔好食？」
呢樣野真係好主觀同好個人口味，有人喜歡濃味／淡味，人既感觀都好易呃，

例1。夜景用NOCT 影人像，迷人美女，一般人都好like 。
倒2。有大C hing用Elmer仔影舊村莊呀伯一面歳用痕跡，BnW灰階位同質感都好得。

攝影既野都係有辣有唔辣，鏡個本身有自己個性，想一野到位當然了解清楚鏡頭特點，有助加強氛圍。

利申：紙上談兵....
我都沒有靚相

redrede

Ryota 發表於 2014-4-4 09:51
『咩先叫靚相?』 我角度我會比喻為一位廚師問人：「點呀？D 野好唔好食？」
呢樣野真係好主觀同好個人口味 ...

You have your point, you need to have the right gear to give you what you want. You can't really use tele-lens for landscape or 12mm for portrait. But if you are master, this will not be a problem

Hiyip

令人感動的相片

Wohtip

隨口要講出來，我覺得simon7，風之名同edho既相係靚相，但又完全唔同類既靚，無法比較。

Jason

bubu 發表於 2014-2-20 23:49
点解你会認为portraiture是"假", or fake, or pretension呢？

Bubu hing, your question has lingered on my mind for several months. I still couldn't find a way to explain my thinking, until recently I read a poem by TS Eliot, "Ash-Wednesday," which is actually about religion. It writes:

Because I know that time is always time
And place is always and only place
And what is actual is actual only for one time
And only for one place
I rejoice that things are as they are and
I renounce the blessed face
And renounce the voice
Because I cannot hope to turn again
Consequently I rejoice, having to construct something
Upon which to rejoice.

I think there is some form of sacredness about human faces. The realness of the face, maybe? And that is something makes portraiture always a process of acting. "What is actual is actual only for one time."

bubu

It depends whether you look at it from a philosophical or photographic POV.