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 樓主| 發表於 2013-8-22 18:39:41 | 顯示全部樓層
Jason 發表於 2013-8-22 15:54
Please forgive me for writing in english. It's easier for me.

I think what vincecharus asked is a ...

Sorry for further commenting on your exposition.

Photography is a representative medium.  It is capable of representing both truth and falsehood, beauty and ugliness, as well as a host of other things such as various emotions.  In each picture, the first question is always what the photographer wants the medium to represent.
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發表於 2013-8-22 19:30:17 | 顯示全部樓層
I resume photo-taking a few years ago, after a 20+ years lag, because at first I thought I need something to occupy my retirement time.
Once re-started, I have been concentrating on shooting strangers mainly because Beijing's suburb are full of nice and friendly people.
Well, at the shooting moment, photography is only a medium or a tool. The key happening is that I chat with these people, certainly topics are usually shallow.
But the emotion is not!
Their friendliness, and the interaction with someone I might not meet again, linger in me from the moment I pressed shutter to the negative scan, from healing dust in Photoshop to file save.
It also continues at each moment I view them on my iPad. I can remember all of their faces, where they were, how I came to them, what we chatted...so vivid.
That is the value of my photography that keeps me going.

Therefore, I use small equipment: 135, film, mostly B&W. Leica, Nikon RF or Contax, as long as they are manual and compact.
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發表於 2013-8-22 20:28:20 | 顯示全部樓層
好一個問題!!!!

其實我對攝影真係冇乜認識。自己亦提吾起勁去入黑房玩沖曬,對大師級作品亦冇乜研究或愛好。攝影,係我心目中,係一個幫手,幫手將我既屋企片段去留底,凈係貢多。

四五年前,大仔出世無耐,就學人入部D90,拍拍拍,總之係老婆仔女,就禁制。由一支kit鏡開始,跟住又乜乜大三元,樣樣都玩。重記得咩住個大背郎,24-70, 70-200,12-24, 乜鬼都咩哂出街,同屋企人影相。其實除左屋企人,我對其他既東西,真係興趣不大。

直至三年前,遇到一支R50/2.0,就開始改變我既工具。進入左萊卡,冇左autofocus,冇左Zoom lens, 起初好吾慣,但萊卡帶比我既,吾係日系器材所帶出既色彩與影像貢簡單,萊卡帶出既,吾知點解,除影像外,重有一種捉得既實在感,同埋一份感覺。習慣左佢既輕便後,亦忘記左冇autofocus既方便快捷。

暫時尼講,M系器材,係我至愛既工具,雖然比吾到中幅既質量,atuofocus既方便,但係,我想記錄既喜與樂,亦係我覺得最重要記下既,M 系幫到我......


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發表於 2013-8-22 22:00:50 | 顯示全部樓層
vincecharus 發表於 2013-8-22 18:09
Wow Jason thanks for the rather long exposition.

What you said encompassed a lot of the recent  ...

It is a very interesting conversation.

I agree a lot with you regarding the "wrong emotion" elicited by Leica cameras. People always ask: "It is a very good picture. What CAMERA was it taken with?" Or when people see you using an "expensive" camera, they would expect certain kinds of images to be created. This is a little bit like the uncertainty principle in physics: that the existence of the observer unavoidably will have an effect on the one to be observed. The use of cameras is destined to change, favorably or unfavorably, "the moment" of the moment of capture.

My response to your question is twofold - one on the technical, the other one, probably i can say, is more about strategical.

I think you want to have a camera which is stealthy and quick, which allow you to capture the decisive moment easily. The camera should be a tool, rather than an object of interest. You want good quality, but you are not too stubborn about supreme quality like bokeh, etc.

Honestly, I won't choose Leica M for this purpose. It is just not "low-profiled" enough. I know people would laugh at me - I would simply pick a Sony RX100. Small, quick, good enough quality. And most importantly, it looks so ordinary. It just serves the purpose right.

But to take your question to a different route, if we agree that, say, a Leica camera would bring some unexpected and sometimes unwelcoming effect on the process of image-making, is it possible to make this seemingly hurdle into something advantageous? To put it another way, what is the "strategical use" of a camera?

If a Leica camera creates a Wow effect to the people around you, surely it brings in some unnecessary attention and expectation, but it can also be something useful. It is what I call using a camera to create a "moment" of the moment of capture. And I try to explain it through the use of larger format cameras.

To take portraiture as an example, 4x5 camera is never the most convenient tool today. It is just way too big, way too slow, way too complicated. But I do like using 4x5 camera to take portraits a lot. Why? it is not only because it creates certain "look" technically, but it has an emotional effect on the subject that you are taking photos of. A sort of seriousness, a sort of nostalgia, a sort of respect. On another thread, we are discussing how to make strangers agree to be photographed. I could very easily to ask strangers to be photographed in nyc when I set up my 4x5. The camera creates the emotion, or the "moment". Thus, it can create certain "look".

And even in Hong Kong, I can say, it is much easier to take pictures of strangers with my Hasselblad H4D than with my Nikon D800E. The Hasselblad is a much slower camera in any possible sense. Technically, the D800E is a much preferable camera for outdoor location shooting. But in reality? You need the med format. It is heavy. I hate it. But people love it. People are interested in the odd-looking camera. Then it creates emotion. That is the moment of capture.

So, to cut it short, get the S for serious pictures, or better still, get Hasselblad or Phase.
(Okay, I'm biased on this. Just to revenge on the psychological damage you made on me regarding the damn monochrom! )

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發表於 2013-8-22 22:30:46 | 顯示全部樓層
影相是我消閒的一項。
用相機影乜,亂影,影出來乜都唔係!只享受過程!
洽洽就因為影出乜都唔係,所以繼續影,影到影出來似番張相!

如果,家庭,生活照,手機已足夠。
Think Positive, Make Negative
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發表於 2013-8-22 23:41:47 來自手機 | 顯示全部樓層
I like my photos to capture what my family have done and where we have gone. The photos can remind us of the old days.

Soley for family purposes.
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發表於 2013-8-23 00:05:11 | 顯示全部樓層
ghost03032008 發表於 2013-8-22 20:28
好一個問題!!!!

其實我對攝影真係冇乜認識。自己亦提吾起勁去入黑房玩沖曬,對大師級作品亦冇乜研究或愛 ...

These are some very good examples of pictures with feeling.

Ghost hing, I have to say M fits you very well. You really make a good use of the camera.
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發表於 2013-8-23 00:19:22 | 顯示全部樓層
Jason 發表於 2013-8-23 00:05
These are some very good examples of pictures with feeling.

Ghost hing, I have to say M fits yo ...

Jason Hing, 仔大仔世界,我做爸爸,明白做仔既,十二三歲,已經吾會再睬你。依家萊卡帶比我既,吾單止係回憶,重係感覺,我想留底佢,七八年後,我預左輸,只有美好既回憶,與感覺......
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發表於 2013-8-23 00:25:12 | 顯示全部樓層
ghost03032008 發表於 2013-8-23 00:19
Jason Hing, 仔大仔世界,我做爸爸,明白做仔既,十二三歲,已經吾會再睬你。依家萊卡帶比我既,吾單止係 ...

I think it is a project carried out not only by you, but also by your two kids, and of course, your wife.
I can see so much love and caring in your photos. Even though I have not yet met you personally, I almost feel that I know you. It is something quite magical.

Years later, I'm sure your boys will be thankful to you, for taking so many of their pics. Memory and feeling are precious. It is just wonderful.
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發表於 2013-8-23 00:33:20 | 顯示全部樓層
Jason 發表於 2013-8-23 00:25
I think it is a project carried out not only by you, but also by your two kids, and of course, you ...

做爸爸,特別係仔既仔爸爸,坦白講,我吾相信係會奇蹟,因為,我都係仔。從我既相片,你地會發現佢地既喜與悲...尼D 係最真既感覺,對人,對仔既情感。如果你問我,乜野係好相.....我只有一個答案....看後有感覺,就係好相....
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ghost03032008 發表於 2013-8-23 00:33
做爸爸,特別係仔既仔爸爸,坦白講,我吾相信係會奇蹟,因為,我都係仔。從我既相片,你地會發現佢地既喜 ...

乜野係好相.....我只有一個答案....看後有感覺,就係好相....

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Jason 發表於 2013-8-22 22:00
It is a very interesting conversation.

I agree a lot with you regarding the "wrong emotion" eli ...

You started me out on looking for a Hassel now, simply can't disagree you, well said, 不愧係版主。
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發表於 2013-8-23 02:48:40 | 顯示全部樓層
It seems to me that the OP is in love with a girl, but somehow for some reasons, he thinks that the girl is not that suitable to him in all aspects in some particular moment.

It is a pretty good and healthy "love story" which involves heart felt reflections and self-questioning, though it is not "love" itself, it's a right way to get to true love (not necessary with this girl).

Maybe, the OP still thinks of what the girl could give him rather than what he could give to the girl. It is no right or wrong, it's all about how love one to the other, not necessarily equal. It's just not the right time as thought.

I know of some photographers even give names to their cameras manifesting the cameras character and their passion to them, knowing very well what a particular camera's capability, bearing in mind the "moment" and the "wrong moment" could be able to take with it through extensive communication.

If one treat their girl as tool to service or please him at the current moment, it's definitely ok, no need to feel guilty, just don't force yourself to make her your lover. It's a matter of timing, maybe it's just not the right time now.
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-8-23 07:55:01 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 vincecharus 於 2013-8-24 23:12 編輯
fantacies 發表於 2013-8-23 02:48
It seems to me that the OP is in love with a girl, but somehow for some reasons, he thinks that the  ...

Fantacies c-hing, knowing your literary flair and phenomal sense of humor, may I take the risk of embarrassing myself totally by asking you what you mean by "OP"?  

I'd perhaps add a little to the story.  Somehow, the OP feels that the alluring girl is leading him a little astray.  Astray is too strong a word.  Maybe it is more appropriate to say "deviating from the OP's original sense of purpose".

One view is that the OP cannot presume that he knows what he wants.  Life is a journey, so the OP is existentially engaged in a never-ending project of finding out what he actually wants.  In this case, the whole concept of purpose is trivial.  Engaging in romantic wanderlust is certainly no excuse to ditch a lovable and inspiring companion.

The other view is that life is short.  The OP does not have forever to do what he sets out to do, so he should trust himself to walk the path he has chosen for himself.  If this involves parting with his illustrious girlfriend, so be it.  The girl, being who she is, will more likely than not find a more worthy lover than the OP.

Rumors are that the OP is a rather boring person.  (Oh well, on an unconscious level you may say he is repressed.)  We'll see...
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fantacies 發表於 2013-8-23 02:48
It seems to me that the OP is in love with a girl, but somehow for some reasons, he thinks that the  ...

oh. i love this answer.

insightful!!!

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grandetech 發表於 2013-8-23 02:41
You started me out on looking for a Hassel now, simply can't disagree you, well said, 不愧係版主。

嘩,我愧不敢當啦。 拋磚引玉咋,拋磚引玉咋。
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-8-23 16:35:56 | 顯示全部樓層
ghost03032008 發表於 2013-8-22 20:28
好一個問題!!!!

其實我對攝影真係冇乜認識。自己亦提吾起勁去入黑房玩沖曬,對大師級作品亦冇乜研究或愛 ...

Great pics!  Like all c-hings here, you have my full support for your very meaningful photographic project of taking pictures of your family throughout the years!

However, Ghost c-hing, there appears to be one big difference between your family and mine.  Your wife and sons seem to react quite favorably when you use Leica to take pictures for them.  My wife absolutely hates both my Ms (especially the Monochrom).  

Maybe now you get a better picture of some of the dilemmas I face.

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vincecharus 發表於 2013-8-23 16:35
Great pics!  Like all c-hings here, you have my full support for your very meaningful photographic ...

hahaha...you can show her my sample MM pics
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ghost03032008 發表於 2013-8-23 00:33
做爸爸,特別係仔既仔爸爸,坦白講,我吾相信係會奇蹟,因為,我都係仔。從我既相片,你地會發現佢地既喜 ...

Plain & simple
Live in the Moment
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-8-23 16:53:41 | 顯示全部樓層
ghost03032008 發表於 2013-8-23 16:38
hahaha...you can show her my sample MM pics

In that case, I'm afraid I might be banned from M-Classic for life...
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